^ that's my point =P
Kamijo wrote:So basically they sell good for the indies scene, but not the commercial and popular scene? Hooray, I'm going to become a billionaire!
Thank you for digging up that info, I had forgotten exactly how Daiki's and Oricon's rankings are made up. And yeah, M10M do pretty well on Daiki.Berserk wrote:Here's something that was written by a guest a while back:
"While Oricon ranks by scans of the barcode upon purchase (which is heavily commercially motivated and inflated), Daiki-Sound is Japan's biggest distributor of Indies labels, bands, and the like. They however base their rankings upon number of products purchased by retailers; however, they are still somewhat accurate (retailers won't just keep buying CDs to sell if no one is buying them).
If you look on Daiki-Sound's Visual ranking, Moi dix Mois seems to always lurk on the Top #20s (and even Malice Mizer [and even Voyage XD]). Usually, when there are new Moi dix Mois releases, they always go to #1 and head around to #5 or so for many weeks after. So in the Visual Indies seen, they are steady sellers; whereas Midi:Nette is an independent record label, this is a chunk of Mana's salary (unlike majors, where the artist receives only royalities [and most goes to the record company for paying for promotion, artwork, videos, commercials, etc.] from releases and gain most of their income from lives, advertising, etc.).
On topic, Moi dix Mois does well in their scene appropriately. But compared to Oricon Top 50 sales; nope. But the reason why you won't see Moi dix Mois on Oricon is because Midi:Nette is not paying royalties. Although, with the release of [Dix Infernal] there was a blurb on the frontpage with the album cover et al. Also, you will find [Perfect Garden] on Oricon; Midi:Nette most likely promoted it for their debut, but notice no futher releases are listed? Anyways...No PVs, no CMs, no pimping on music sites; clearly Midi:Nette has a different strategy. "
There's a difference between being a billionaire and getting by without having to stretch yourself. Mana's probably in the second category.Kamijo wrote:So basically they sell good for the indies scene, but not the commercial and popular scene? Hooray, I'm going to become a billionaire!
I think the feeling is mutual.Kamijo wrote:Mainstream japan does NOT want Mana.
Who was trying to say they're popular? I don't think anyone has claimed as much. And why does that matter? We're discussing how much we think they earn, not judging their validity according to popularity.So basically they sell good for the indies scene, but not the commercial and popular scene? Hooray, I'm going to become a billionaire!
I missed it earlier, but that's really stupid. First: lives aren't an expense, they earn money. Second: Do you even know what kind of venues they perform at?It costs money to book venues and Mana probably just CAN'T affoard doing so many lives.
I don't know if you realize this, but art isn't a popularity contest--does it really matter to you if an artist can be picked up at a grocery store as opposed to more obscure medium? Personally, I find the underground can be much more rewarding.
Berserk wrote:(unless you consider "success" having your face aired around the country to sell candy or some other crap).
Berserk wrote:(unless you consider "success" having your face aired around the country to sell candy or some other crap).
Probably because so many promising young artists, lured by the prospect of becoming rich and famous, end up abandoning artistic integrity in favour of mainstream commercial success and become unoriginal and boring.Elec wrote:I'd like to know just why everyone around here seems to think that this notion of 'celebrity' or 'sucess' is such an inherently black-and-white horrible thing, as if you're all holding it at arms length, pinching your nose, and making some sort of 'oh poo' gesture with, like, a mysterious third arm specifically reserved for iconoclasm.
Geisha wrote:Probably because so many promising young artists, lured by the prospect of becoming rich and famous, end up abandoning artistic integrity in favour of mainstream commercial success and become unoriginal and boring.Elec wrote:I'd like to know just why everyone around here seems to think that this notion of 'celebrity' or 'sucess' is such an inherently black-and-white horrible thing, as if you're all holding it at arms length, pinching your nose, and making some sort of 'oh poo' gesture with, like, a mysterious third arm specifically reserved for iconoclasm.
I'd like to know where you got the idea that I'm saying it's wrong to use your popularity to sell candy.I'd like to know just why everyone around here seems to think that this notion of 'celebrity' or 'sucess' is such an inherently black-and-white horrible thing, as if you're all holding it at arms length, pinching your nose, and making some sort of 'oh poo' gesture with, like, a mysterious third arm specifically reserved for iconoclasm.
I think he was in a print ad for "Dragon Warrior" merchandise back in his major days. It was probably his idea in the first placeBerserk wrote:Honestly, if Mana ended up in a commercial, I'd just give him a little "ho-hum"--it's not a sin of any sort. It's just not what an artist should be judged by.
Berserk wrote:Unless, of course, you define success by those things that are completely irrelevant to music and achieving artistic goals. Honestly, if Mana ended up in a commercial, I'd just give him a little "ho-hum"--it's not a sin of any sort. It's just not what an artist should be judged by.