Közi PV Tribute - Right or Wrong?

[Anonymous]

This obsession of mine - Közi making a PV, has grown to unbareably painful extends. As MDM, I'm sure he won't be making one soon either... or what I shudder to think - even never. But a few days ago, I heard of an improvised fan-made MDM PV. I also heard it is terrible, there is nothing special about it, "just lights flashing and a big rolling of Bara no Seidou and Bara no Konrei images", as I was told. But I was thinking, looking through the over 1000 pics of Közi I have for the n-th time - why don't I try making something similar? I promise I will put a lot more effort, time and love into making it. In the beginning, I had these even more terrifying ides - getting my 3DsMax into work, but that'll take months and months to make. While using Image Ready, Flash and the super Photo"soap" power it will average not more than a few weeks. But this got into my mind as well - is this even right?

Thinking about it, on one hand, it is. It is some kind of support and showing interest, showing admiration and impatience to see even more of the favourite artist. Plus considering all the time and effort into making it, I think it's a manifestation enough of the affinity and affection it was made with and because of. On the other hand, I feel it is also like a sacrilege or something. So, I wonder, is it right or wrong? Before I start this all-consuming work, I want to know what its future will be, will it turn out to be something worth mentioning or just another fangirlish subject of immense hate?

I just can't wait to see a PV of Közi. Just his works deserve it! Not to mention he owes himself one - for all he has done for all of us, even if he'll never know. I'm planning on using various imagery but mainly the Khaosu/Kinema UV corner and EOD stage/w guitar photos. The song will be... "LIFE GOES ON~with MELANCHOLY~". And I'll make all the needed labelling it is a PV Tribute, not a real thing. Basically, I have the spirit and love needed to create something like this but first and most of all, I need to know how it's looked upon. I don't want to be ruining something now do I?

 

[navate]

Well, from an artistic point of view, I don't know how using a handful of pictures could possibly make a good PV. It might make a cool avatar (as I see that's how you've made yours) or a really short little video.... but entire song's worth of time? I don't see it being done well -- that was the problem with the M10M fan PV. It was a few clips, some garbage abstract stuff, all mashed together. It was -boring-. If you can find a way around being repetative despite the lack of Kozi-solo visual material, and don't mind spending the time on it... hell, go for it. Kock yourself out.

-Distributing- it is where the problem comes in. Would other people care to see it? Do you care aout the legalities? Do you WANT to make it known, or do you not care as long as it's made? Do you want to take the risk of it being misinterperted as the M10M PV sometimes is, as a legit product? These are all questions you have to answer yourself. I know you have an unhealthy obsession with Kozi ;] so you'll probably end up doing it. But the issue is more what you will do with the final product.

I see nothing wrong with making a movie... Hell, I'm making a "Mana Movie" myself for a friend. She's fascinated by Mana's antics but has only seen pictures and heard stories I've told her, so I'm putting together a film of "Mana moments" and clips from PVs with him on camera for her, and setting it to music. Despite that it will done as nicely as I can make it, I'm never going to upload it on the net nor put it on WinMX, even if I am asked to. It'll never get any further than my computer and the CD I burn it onto for her. But that was a choice on my part with Mana's integrity in mind -- I don't need to market for him, and what will be on the movie will be things that every Mana fan who has downloading capabilites will have seen before. What I'm doing is for my personal enjoyment -- a tribute to Mana, and some catering for my friend's quirky tastes -- nothing else.

 

[Anonymous]

It can, oh just how it can. From one picture, I can make at least 10 more. Don't forget, Photoshop is divine. I can always make Közi move whole hands or stuff without even being noticable it's a montage (and it will be absolutely HIS hands from his own hands on top of that). Simply put, I have no trouble neither with the making, nor with the time. Közi is everything.

The distributing.. well, I already know no-one would actually care to see it. And I don't care no-one would care. All I care for is the feeling I'm doing it with and the very reason in the first place. Well, I'm sure such a huge project like this won't be left unnoticed but I have already prepared for the worst and admitted it. Second, as I stated, it won't be mistaken for any legal product because I will make sure to label it with the complete disclaimers and unofficiality rules. There is no way to mistake something for legit when you stare at disclaimer warnings for about half a minute in the beginning.

Being most honest, this is a tribute I wish to make with the hope it eventually reaches Közi in some, in ANY way. This is all I wish for. Is it so much? Is it so much I hope for?

P.S. I love your Közi art piece ;}

 

[Elec]

Cold voice of reason: Yes. Yes it is too much to hope for. Go ahead and do it though; if you have the interest in the process and the material, then keep the idle hands busy.

But I strongly doubt with near 100% certainty that it will reach him. Just do it for kicks, I'm tellin' ya.

 

[Gier]

On one hand I feel like Kozi should be happy he has this effect on his fans, truly some of the most devoted around it seems.

On the other hand well...I mean it's not really my place to say but I've always thought it sad when people can only identify themselves through others.

Go ahead and make your PV though, at the very least it will be incredibly good music.

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

I once made a fan Eve of Destiny music video using a compliation of live clips and scenes from Silent Hill 4: The Room

I think it worked out very well

 

[Kame]

There's nothing wrong with doing fanart/fanvideos, etc as long as it's entirely for you and maybe for your friends. But trying to distribute it to the rest of the world is obnoxious and sometimes even arrogant, depending on how it's done.

 

[Cianide]

I once made a fan Eve of Destiny music video using a compliation of live clips and scenes from Silent Hill 4: The Room

I think it worked out very well

Do you still have it?

I think you should try, it would be interesting!

 

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Wow. Distributing fan art and/or fan made videos to 'the rest of the world' is 'obnoxious' and possibly 'arrogant'? I had no idea.

I thought it was possibly simply an expression of creative fandom and thus welcome within the fandom. I'll have to remember this.

If she thinks she can do it well, then by all means I encourage her. If she puts it on a site and links it, you don't have to download it. I don't see how it is obnoxious and certainly not arrogant in any way. Perhaps you didn't mean your words to come across as I saw them, perhaps you did. It doesn't matter

Lydia

 

[Shadows Paradox X]

All i know, is when i saw: Moi Dix Mois - Dialogue Symphonie PV, it got my hopes up and upon watching it (and realizing it was a fake) they all came crashing down ontop of me.

 

[Cianide]

All i know, is when i saw: Moi Dix Mois - Dialogue Symphonie PV, it got my hopes up and upon watching it (and realizing it was a fake) they all came crashing down ontop of me.

I had the same problem. I posted about this last month.

 

[Kame]

Wow. Distributing fan art and/or fan made videos to 'the rest of the world' is 'obnoxious' and possibly 'arrogant'? I had no idea.

I thought it was possibly simply an expression of creative fandom and thus welcome within the fandom. I'll have to remember this.

If she thinks she can do it well, then by all means I encourage her. If she puts it on a site and links it, you don't have to download it. I don't see how it is obnoxious and certainly not arrogant in any way. Perhaps you didn't mean your words to come across as I saw them, perhaps you did. It doesn't matter

Lydia

I'm sorry, I really should have phrased that better ^^

I have seen some gorgeous fanart posted on websites and stuff, and I do love that. Something like the Dialogue Symphonie PV is obnoxious because it's so decieiving. And by arrogant (as well as obnoxious), I mean when fans get really crazy with "omg look what i did!!! it just soooo expresses my love for *insert name here* and i'm just teh greatest fan evarr!!!11! and everybody needs to look at my stuff because *insert name here* needs to be spread out to all the world and is GOD!!!"As long as people are mature about their work, it's perfectly respectable. But being all into other people's faces about it (as I have noticed some fans are wont to do) is just...obnoxious .

So I guess what I was trying to say (I believe I must have been half asleep when I posted that anyway) is that Keiyoru, by all means, make your video if you wish, just don't get too carried away. If you really want to distribute it, putting it on a website so people who are interested may download it is a good idea (as Illparatzo-sama mentioned) But, of course, make sure anyone who comes across it does know it's a fan video. And, generically speaking, fan works are to be enjoyed by fans. Hoping Kozi will see it and have any sort of liking of it may be putting your expectations a little high ^^;

or maybe I should just shut up now, I certainly don't want to start any huge arguments ^^;

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

I once made a fan Eve of Destiny music video using a compliation of live clips and scenes from Silent Hill 4: The Room

I think it worked out very well

Do you still have it?quote]

YES!

 

[Cianide]

I once made a fan Eve of Destiny music video using a compliation of live clips and scenes from Silent Hill 4: The Room

I think it worked out very well

Do you still have it?quote]

YES!

May I see it? I mean, is it uploaded or do you have dsl/cable??

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

aim me sometime, we'll attempt a file transfer

herrdoktormurdok

 

[Anonymous]

Hmmm... anyway, it's in progress now. But I was wondering something. Since I'm working on it in a huge resolution and it will need the proper compressions and reducings later, I was wondering is it a good and innovative idea to make it in a vertical resolution? I mean, height more than width. I tried it and to me it looks really cool... but I don't know what you would think so I decided to ask.

P.S. Hehehe, by the way, I'm really happy because I got an EOD live clip ^^ No further info, it's a secret but I'm so happy I just wanted to note it.

 

[flowersofnight]

I was wondering is it a good and innovative idea to make it in a vertical resolution? I mean, height more than width. I tried it and to me it looks really cool... but I don't know what you would think so I decided to ask.

Artistically it's a fine idea, but speaking strictly on the technical merits I'd stick with the standard 4:3 rectangle shape. Less likely to cause any strange media player behavior... and besides, you can't make a tall skinny video fullscreen

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

you could always go with thestandard letterboxing, and rotate it.
Althought that would mean you'd have to direct your video sideways :-P

 

[Mortis]

Being unique for the sake of being unique is never all that good an idea, however I can see why you would opt for the vertical format - so many good promotional photos are easily shaped that way and it'd be less work for you.

I also can't see why it would be all that bad if you actually can't size it as large as the monitor is, as the rest will be coloured with black (which you could do yourself too, perhaps)... it doesn't sound bad to me!

And the project alone sounds very much like fun, although it will be a tedious task doing five minutes just editing photos like that. The result will be great if you have the time and drive!