Yoshiki and Gackt to start a band together!!

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People exaggerate too much about Miyavi. It'd really be nice if people could see that his stage personality just an act. When he's actually talking, he actually is pretty smart sounding. I like that he sees himself as an artist and not, as suggested, a product.

Really, though, who cares about if he's silly when in character? There are plenty of people with potentially bothersome characters. It's not even so much that anymore as it is "STOP COMPARING EVERY JAPANESE GUITARIST TO SUGIZO". Seriously. I'm sick of it. Every time I read something about a jrock guitarist, someone pops up to say "Sugizo lolz!" And now, he can't even be in the same band as someone without some comparison starting?! ::hora::

No, apparently not. And since Luna Sea is pretty much the basis for a fine majority of VKs sound as we know it today and many a guitarist look up to Sugizo and even pull some of his signature stances while soloing.. I don't think the comparisons are going to stop because you're "sick of it". Know what I'm sick of? People saying "lolz" every time they try to mock something.

You really make little sense because you want people to stop caring about Miyavi's silly attitude, but then you're sick of other things.

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I don't consider technicality to be the end-all standard to judge guitarists by. Sugizo creates beautiful melodies with his guitar, and I feel that expresses creativity much more easily than simply being able to do a piece at a speed ten times faster and cleaner than anyone else.

I definitely, completely agree with this though. And while I suppose I do agree about time spent as a musician not making one immediately better, I think in the Sugizo vs. Miyavi case, it does.
I make plenty of sense. Miyavi's stage persona is just that, a stage persona. The 'fans' who compare every last Japanese guitarist to Sugizo-- they're serious. :|

There's a huge difference between how someone acts on stage and in videos, or in interviews than when someone's sitting around mentioning Sugizo whenever any jrock guitarist is mentioned.

Of course it's not going to stop because I'm sick of it. Nothing that I'm sick of seems to stop, as shown in a certain other thread. Alright, so they are in the same band. Who cares who's 'better'? It's ridiculous. I don't see everyone yelling out "Korn!!!" whenever a nu metal band emerges. I don't see people yelling out "Mayhem!!!" whenever a black metal band emerges. Nope. Because that would be a blind stereotype. If your logic were actually applicable to things that you aren't arguing against, then alot of things would be different right? But if you agree with the person, the same behaviors apply. Huh? So, if someone says a band sucks, it's not like they'll change because a bunch of people are complaining about them. So.. I should be allowed to have an opinion that differs while using those tacticts, right? Oh, and by the way, no, I'm not going to stop using "lolz" just because you're sick of it.

All counters aside, I believe you completely missed my point. It wasn't about Miyavi as it was every single guitarist. It's an unfair point to argue, since the general jrock population thinks it's cool to diss Miyavi. Obviously, everyone (Especially the people who are considered 'elite' and 'elderly' because they worship bands like X Japan, Kuroyume, LUNA SEA, ect) is going to give Sugizo the automatic vote, because of this. But my point was, there shouldn't be any vote in the first place. Can't we leave it at 'Miyavi and Sugizo are in the same band'? It's as if both parties feel one is too good to play with the other. ><
 

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I'm in agreement that a lot of Miyavi hate in these instances is completely unfounded. The Luna Sea over-promotion gets a little tired too. It sounds like a lot of musicians with mutual respect for each others' careers are trying to put together something interesting, and instead all us fans are just making the waiting an extremely sour experience.
 

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I personally think that both Miyavi and Sugizo are amazing, but in completely different ways. While I can't see Miyavi doing some of the amazing things Sugizo does, I also can't see Sugizo doing the accoustic-guitar-slapping thing that Miyavi does.
I don't think it's a big enough deal to get so worked up about. I for one, think that the fact that my two favourite guitarists -might- be in the same band together is something to be excited about, seriously.
I like miyavi, I revere Sugizo...I think it'll be quite the interesting mix. Having such opposits in a band togeter. Sugizo, Yoshiki, gackt and Miyavi.
I totally can hardly wait.
 

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All of this sounds great I've heard sugizo's stuff and I loved it in fact I love all the artists that might be in this band. I will defenitly go see a concert when they come.
 

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This Miyavi thing... Is it really serious? I don't really keep track of him, when was he in LA? When did he say that?

Sorry, but I just want to know this isn't just a rumour a fangirl made up because she likes the idea of Gackt and Miyavi together .P

I like Miyavis guitarplaying a lot, but I don't listen to his work very much because I don't like his voice.. I'm neither for not against the idea of him in the band, but I suppose it would draw even more attention to it... then I'll just second what Akane said. ^^
 

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He talked about it in his journals that he was in LA. He was there for a long time. He also said a guy in LA that he met that was part of a band blahblahblah.
I think the Miyavi thing is quite a good guess as to who and what he was talking about.
 

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I make plenty of sense. Miyavi's stage persona is just that, a stage persona. The 'fans' who compare every last Japanese guitarist to Sugizo-- they're serious. :|

There's a huge difference between how someone acts on stage and in videos, or in interviews than when someone's sitting around mentioning Sugizo whenever any jrock guitarist is mentioned.

Of course it's not going to stop because I'm sick of it. Nothing that I'm sick of seems to stop, as shown in a certain other thread. Alright, so they are in the same band. Who cares who's 'better'? It's ridiculous. I don't see everyone yelling out "Korn!!!" whenever a nu metal band emerges. I don't see people yelling out "Mayhem!!!" whenever a black metal band emerges. Nope. Because that would be a blind stereotype. If your logic were actually applicable to things that you aren't arguing against, then alot of things would be different right? But if you agree with the person, the same behaviors apply. Huh? So, if someone says a band sucks, it's not like they'll change because a bunch of people are complaining about them. So.. I should be allowed to have an opinion that differs while using those tacticts, right? Oh, and by the way, no, I'm not going to stop using "lolz" just because you're sick of it.

All counters aside, I believe you completely missed my point. It wasn't about Miyavi as it was every single guitarist. It's an unfair point to argue, since the general jrock population thinks it's cool to diss Miyavi. Obviously, everyone (Especially the people who are considered 'elite' and 'elderly' because they worship bands like X Japan, Kuroyume, LUNA SEA, ect) is going to give Sugizo the automatic vote, because of this. But my point was, there shouldn't be any vote in the first place. Can't we leave it at 'Miyavi and Sugizo are in the same band'? It's as if both parties feel one is too good to play with the other. ><

I think you're forgetting the fact that a lot of people don't like Miyavi because of his music, not his "persona".
 

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I make plenty of sense. Miyavi's stage persona is just that, a stage persona. The 'fans' who compare every last Japanese guitarist to Sugizo-- they're serious. :|

There's a huge difference between how someone acts on stage and in videos, or in interviews than when someone's sitting around mentioning Sugizo whenever any jrock guitarist is mentioned.

Of course it's not going to stop because I'm sick of it. Nothing that I'm sick of seems to stop, as shown in a certain other thread. Alright, so they are in the same band. Who cares who's 'better'? It's ridiculous. I don't see everyone yelling out "Korn!!!" whenever a nu metal band emerges. I don't see people yelling out "Mayhem!!!" whenever a black metal band emerges. Nope. Because that would be a blind stereotype. If your logic were actually applcable to things that you aren't arguing against, then alot of things would be different right? But if you agree with the person, the same behaviors apply. Huh? So, if someone says a band sucks, it's not like they'll change because a bunch of people are complaining about them. So.. I should be allowed to have an opinion that differs while using those tacticts, right? Oh, and by the way, no, I'm not going to stop using "lolz" just because you're sick of it.

All counters aside, I believe you completely missed my point. It wasn't about Miyavi as it was every single guitarist. It's an unfair point to argue, since the general jrock population thinks it's cool to diss Miyavi. Obviously, everyone (Especially the people who are considered 'elite' and 'elderly' because they worship bands like X Japan, Kuroyume, LUNA SEA, ect) is going to give Sugizo the automatic vote, because of this. But my point was, there shouldn't be any vote in the first place. Can't we leave it at 'Miyavi and Sugizo are in the same band'? It's as if both parties feel one is too good to play with the other. ><

Er, what about the people that LOVE Miyavi that I, and others, see everywhere? You really like to point out one side of things, and ignore or attempt to discredit the entire other side. And not "everyone" is going to think Sugizo is automatically better because, well, Nocturne disproved you on that one. Really, no one gets all crazy about this like you do. If you think we are, I suggest you read it from another perspective. I think all this comes down to, you get worked up every time someone doesn't like something you like, and then try to compare it to American music fanbase, which has nothing to do with anything, because no one's just yelling out a name. We're comparing to someone who, many probably feel, doesn't deserve to be in a band with such huge names like Yoshiki, Sugizo and Gackt. I've said a bunch of times, I think he's a good guitarist, but "I should be allowed to have an opinion that differs" from yours, right?

And I know you're not going to stop using "lolz", that's my point. You were saying how "Why does everyone have to compare Sugizo to every Jrock guitarist?", and I was retorting with something else that isn't going to stop just because we want it to. People compare everyone to Sugizo, or hide, because they were two of the bests and the originals. That's the way it is with anything. You compare to the bigger, original source.

I have a question though, have you seen how many pointless interviews there are of Miyavi in magazines? How many pictures he has of himself just making stupid faces? There are literally tons of unnecessary interviews with him. It's kind of irritating to open a magazine every month and see them same person, making the same funny faces.
 

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Miz wrote:
Nothing that I'm sick of seems to stop
I hear that's the title of the new Dir en grey single. Speaking of which, Dir en grey was much better in their Gauze period, but not quite as good as Sugizo. Maybe if Miyavi in his DLQ days had joined them they would have been as good as Sugizo or hide. Maybe they should all play The Alfee's angel guitars too.

... and now that I've hopefully caused the universe to implode by bringing EVERY stupid never-dying argument into this thread, let's move on. Seriously, this is not the place to debate the relative merits of a bunch of folks who may or may not be in the band, or debate the relative debating style of fans of these folks who may or may not be in the band. Let's keep this to actual news about Gackt and Yoshiki's band. Please.
 

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I'm still wondering wtf the name of this band will be.. o__O
 

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Akane wrote:
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I'm still wondering wtf the name of this band will be.. o__O

okayokay.
Yoshiki keeps going on and on and on on his blog about Violet UK or something
wtf is that?

Violet UK is a project Yoshiki has been working on for years. This isn't it.
 

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Kazuo wrote:
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I'm still wondering wtf the name of this band will be.. o__O

okayokay.
Yoshiki keeps going on and on and on on his blog about Violet UK or something
wtf is that?

Violet UK is a project Yoshiki has been working on for years. This isn't it.

ah..alright. SORRY!
Ignore that then.
Thanks ^^
 

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Kazuo wrote:
People compare everyone to Sugizo, or hide, because they were two of the bests and the originals.

mmm they're awesome composers and pretty much populars 'cos their bands but the best guitarists?? I seriously doubt it, specially about Hide :/ , even I'm a huge fan of Luna Sea and X Japan as well I think they don't even get close to guys like Daita or more "new" ones like Syu from Galneryus, in fact, there're plenty cool guitarist in Japan, that's why this whole "untouchable cult" to this two guys, sometimes, is more a fan problem than a objective thing.....

as the bassist I'd love to see Hitoki *0*....
 

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Two OF the bests. They're not the best ever, I know that. I also thing Syu is amazing though. Wow, Syu should be in that band. >__>
 

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but.. Miyavis solo career? o.o Should he be guitarist in this band as a side project or really join it?

If he does turn out to be the guitarist then like Gackt his solo stuff will probally go on hold till it's conveinent to restart it

Well, aside from the fact that it's debatable Gackt will actually put his solo project on hold since he's such a sucker for punishment, the question is will PSC actually let Miyavi join this 'side' project if he's actually been asked by Yoshiki to be appart of it.

There's a lot of stuff going on in LA right now- Yoshiki lives there, and hell, Mana just visited there. Who's to say Miyavi didn't have a heart-to-heart chat with Mana for cryin' out loud! Yeah, that's right, everybody forgot that Mana just came from LA as well. ::gaku::

I guess what I'm trying to say is no one should be brutally critiqued right now until it's official that he's actually part of this project, because in all honesty, Miyavi could have been there and met up with anyone. ;)
 

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There's a lot of stuff going on in LA right now- Yoshiki lives there, and hell, Mana just visited there. Who's to say Miyavi didn't have a heart-to-heart chat with Mana for cryin' out loud! Yeah, that's right, everybody forgot that Mana just came from LA as well. ::gaku::

Don't you scare me! ::bleh::
 

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Kazuo wrote:
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There's a lot of stuff going on in LA right now- Yoshiki lives there, and hell, Mana just visited there. Who's to say Miyavi didn't have a heart-to-heart chat with Mana for cryin' out loud! Yeah, that's right, everybody forgot that Mana just came from LA as well. ::gaku::

Don't you scare me! ::bleh::

Mana just keeps appearing in this thread.. *giggles a bit*

But I completely agree with Kyuketsuki. =3 we're all kinda paranoid, me thinks.
 
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