What I really adore from Mana is that he was able to "sacrifice" his glory as a guitarist at Malice Mizer. When I listen to songs like Kyoku to sora ( the live version with Klaha ), Gensou rakuen or some M10M songs like Perish I think: " Why is he not writing more songs of that kind". In this songs he shows so much talent. But he uses his guitar more like an instrument in an orchestre. But of all the other guitarists Hide is best, no doubt.
Who do you think is the best guitarist?
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How is going from Malice Mizer to Moi dix Mois "sacrificing his glory"?
Best: hide
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Voted: Kaoru. o_o;
Favourite: Kaoru
Voted: Kaoru. o_o;
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People really must be listening to something totally different. Mana is hardly a great guitarist, in fact I find his skills mediocre at best. hide was talented, sure, but not very original and was a bit sloppy live. Sugizo ( whom I voted for ) on the other hand, has 30 years of classical music training and is well versed in music theory. Not to mention the man played absolutely perfectly live and even made improvisations on existing LUNA SEA songs.
I almost feel like this poll is biased towards Mana since most people here are.. well.. Mana lovers and probably haven't heard enough of LUNA SEA or L'arc~en~Ciel, as Sousuke said.
I almost feel like this poll is biased towards Mana since most people here are.. well.. Mana lovers and probably haven't heard enough of LUNA SEA or L'arc~en~Ciel, as Sousuke said.
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C'mon, it didn't take Mana 30 years to figure out music theory.... he's sharper than that
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Music theory is different than classical training. >__> And it didn't take Sugizo 30 years to figure out either. I'm just saying he has 30 years of experience.
Mana's compositions are mostly polyphonic, and I've never heard him use musical theory to compose a song really. His songs are mostly just recycled classical compositions by either himself or a already existing classical composer. I think everyone knows Mana's influences and how much they sound alike.
Mana's compositions are mostly polyphonic, and I've never heard him use musical theory to compose a song really. His songs are mostly just recycled classical compositions by either himself or a already existing classical composer. I think everyone knows Mana's influences and how much they sound alike.
To be honest, it's not really Mana writing the music. What he does is mostly copying out of etude books of famous composers and pieces them together. That's ALL he has to do with the entire process, really.
It's not terribly creative, nor is it hard to tell what he's doing. Kind of hard to figure how he's got so many fans.
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Mao, could you tell me the original versions of Kioku to Sora, Uruwashiki kamen no shoutaijou, Shi no butou and Seinaru toki eien no inori? oh and also La dix croix and Pessimiste, if you're so generous.
I'd like to hear the original versions by Famous Composers ne ^^;;;
I'd like to hear the original versions by Famous Composers ne ^^;;;
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There are only so many musical compositions one can come up with without trying to sound like another piece of music. There are only seven musical notes and you can only do so much with them. O.o
Yeah Mao, unpack that statement.
And Kazuo's on to something; I mention in my reviews on this site (which I kind of feel like updating) I mention something called the "MM chord progression" which is pretty pervasive in nearly every MM song and quite a lot of m10m songs. It doesn't mean it's a bad thing necessarily, though.
And Kazuo's on to something; I mention in my reviews on this site (which I kind of feel like updating) I mention something called the "MM chord progression" which is pretty pervasive in nearly every MM song and quite a lot of m10m songs. It doesn't mean it's a bad thing necessarily, though.
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You know, I'm getting sick and tired of you people dictating how polls should go. So either back off, or don't start them/post in them. You have a right to your opinion, and you have a right to try to get others to see your point of view. But you don't have a right to shove your bloody opinion down other people's throats pretending to possess some kind of higher knowledge and treating everyone else like children who think otherwise. It's very, very sad and desperate, and I'm getting tired of seeing people do it in these polls all the fucking time.
And just so we're clear - there is no such thing as an absolute. If you think otherwise, you quite clearly don't even know half the things you like to pretend you do.
And just so we're clear - there is no such thing as an absolute. If you think otherwise, you quite clearly don't even know half the things you like to pretend you do.
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Personally, I could care less whether people take what I have to say into consideration or not. But posting in a forum allows me to say what I have to say. Not once did I say "Mana sucks. Everyone should hate him." His abilities as a guitarist just don't impress me from a musicians POV. I don't pretend to have any such divine knowledge. I'm speaking of what I know from the musical training I have. I don't see what's "sad and desperate" about saying what I think. I don't even see what I'm being "desperate" about. I joined this forum to have these kinds of discussions, not arguments. I haven't taken any sort of hostile tone with anyone about it. I've found many an intelligent, accepting conversation on here where people differ their opinions. Mao on the other hand has a bit more of a.. direct approach.
I should've mentioned that I was referring to m10m where it was mana's sole influence rather than some from at least kozi if not more. Next time I'll try to be a bit more obvious for you. : >Naja wrote:
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La dix croix and Pessimiste are M10M o-o;; and I second Naja... want to hear too! Too bad about the others. :?
Yes, I agree with this. But there comes a point in time when you start to think it's a bit odd when you can just reach over and grab a particular etude book and copy line for line what you're listening to from m10m.Dix Princesse wrote:
I worshipped mana until I stumbled upon this. To this day I still admire the malice mizer work to an extent, but m10m I can never forgive. Some friends of mine actually found one m10m song that they could spot 7 different classical composers (some were slightly obscure artists) works. I'm sorry if my pointing this out to you offends you, but it really doesn't sit well with me, and it really killed my opinion of him.
Take this as you will, I'm really not trying to offend you personally. But I suppose I am if you're the sort that considers a vaguely rude remark about your idol to be a direct attack to you and your family. =\
It'd be better if we knew who those composers that Mana took from were and what pieces of theirs you're referring to. It'd back the argument up a lot.
The composers my friends could pick out were Mozart, J.S. Bach, C.P.E. Bach, Scarlatti, Couperin, Telemann and Geminiani.FluffyJuney wrote:
It wasn't me that picked them out, so I can't tell you exactly what pieces. The specific ones I was shown while at my friend's apartment were mainly etudes, but there were many others.
To be honest, I'm only saying what was proven to me by friends of mine a while back, but what they showed me completely astounded and amazed me, and I just can't go back to listening to the music the way I used to.
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