The NEW Dir en grey thread

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evespikey wrote:
Miz wrote:
But back on the Diru topic.. I have a feeling they shoulda changed their name. With how they feel right now, and how people are reacting.. it would have been a gooooood idea.
Yeah, I think this too. Their sound is so dramatically different there are people who hate their old and like their new stuff, and people who like the old and hate the new...and both call themselves Dir en grey fans. When really, the fans don't have much in common.

OK, I know shit about Nirvana but I heard someone say this and I was reminded.
With Smells like Teens Spirit, Nirvana became a great hit and lots of "grunge fans" were popping up, so what Cobain did to erase them was make an album only really grungy people would dig. And many didnt. And that's that.

Now, whether this is true or not, I don't care. My point is that maybe Dir en grey are trying to go as far and as quickly as possible from what their old music and the fanbase around it(VK fangirls & highschoolers) was.
I haven't heard the new single but really, the talk is enough to make you roll your eyes in frustration.
When a band changes so much, they're bound to be eyed in a questioning manner by old fans.

I guess this is kinda like Tetsu fans going " ::bleh:: " at Gackt and Gackt fans going " ::bleh:: " at Klaha. ...And Klaha/Gackt fans going " ::bleh:: " at Tetsu. D:

If you're used to expecting something from a band, its only natural you feel out of place when they go around experimenting.
Sometimes this works, like with L'Arc~en~Ciel & BUCK-TICK and sometimes you have controversies and debates like right now with Dir en grey.

Hell, if METRONOME started doing acoustic guitar ballads with lyrics about the countryside, I know "I" would be first one rasing a few eyebrows. XD

I realized I dont make sense. orz
--k
 

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sailorKa wrote:
Hell, if METRONOME started doing acoustic guitar ballads with lyrics about the countryside, I know "I" would be first one rasing a few eyebrows. XD

I realized I dont make sense. orz
--k

I'd go punch sharaku and tell him to make another project instead.
 

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Ka.. that was the best post on this thread so far. I couldn't have said it better.

I guess I wasn't really putting my words right cause I sounded all ::foot:: with my defense, rather than talking as if I were neutral on the subject.

Edit: I saw the PV today. Not only do I think it lacks Dir en grey in severity, but the blurring was so annoying. The whole thing was like a more artsy version of KoRn's Right Now... but the censoring had to go. For real.
 

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Yeah, the censoring kinda killed my enjoyment :( But it was still an interesting PV and went well with the song. I found myself liking the song more because of it. :O
 

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Okay, I just saw the PV. That has got to be one of THE most random things I've ever seen. :| And yes, the bluring was stupid, but I have the strong feeling that even if it wasn't blurred, we still wouldn't know what the hell was going on.

I agree with Ka in their possible motives for putting out something like this, however I still believe that they can be different and still put out music instead of an incarnation of kyo's bad stage act as of late (as in forgetting words and just deciding to yell instead). Really, all this sounded like to me was pure yelling, and yelling does not equal music. The occasional note he did sing got my hopes up and then, oh, never mind, we're back to the yelling. It has nothing to do with the lyrics at this point, and usually when Kyo is lacking as a vocalist, there's still the rest of the band and their instrumentation to turn to for quality. This time, there wasn't even sufficiant playing, I think. In my opinion and initial judgement, this is crap. Sorry, kids. :(

There's the possiblity that this could change with time, but I honestly don't think so with this one. Here's to hoping they put out some actual music next time.

PS: also, if what Ka says is right and they're trying to eliminate their old fans, there's the possibility they've just eliminated me if this keeps up. Not because I cared about their looks, clothes, ect., but because I like their composition and it just seems to be gone at the moment. :/
 

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Kyuketsuki wrote:
Okay, I just saw the PV. That has got to be one of THE most random things I've ever seen. :| And yes, the bluring was stupid, but I have the strong feeling that even if it wasn't blurred, we still wouldn't know what the hell was going on.

I agree with Ka in their possible motives for putting out something like this, however I still believe that they can be different and still put out music instead of an incarnation of kyo's bad stage act as of late (as in forgetting words and just deciding to yell instead). Really, all this sounded like to me was pure yelling, and yelling does not equal music. The occasional note he did sing got my hopes up and then, oh, never mind, we're back to the yelling. It has nothing to do with the lyrics at this point, and usually when Kyo is lacking as a vocalist, there's still the rest of the band and their instrumentation to turn to for quality. This time, there wasn't even sufficiant playing, I think. In my opinion and initial judgement, this is crap. Sorry, kids. :(

There's the possiblity that this could change with time, but I honestly don't think so with this one. Here's to hoping they put out some actual music next time.

PS: also, if what Ka says is right and they're trying to eliminate their old fans, there's the possibility they've just eliminated me if this keeps up. Not because I cared about their looks, clothes, ect., but because I like their composition and it just seems to be gone at the moment. :/
*Nods agreeingly*
 

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evespikey wrote:
Yeah, I think this too. Their sound is so dramatically different there are people who hate their old and like their new stuff, and people who like the old and hate the new...and both call themselves Dir en grey fans. When really, the fans don't have much in common.
Psha! I'm quite attached to their VK music as well as their recent efforts. Most people are just plain pussies!

sailorKa - you're right about that. This is very similar.. Nirvana's album Nevermind (the album with "Smells Like Teen Spirit") had a very commercialised, pop production to it - whilst its follow-up, In Utero, was raw (and a hell of a lot better:P).
 

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::nods in IIID's general direction::

I also enjoy their VK and their metal music. None of it is actually BAD, despite what fans on both sides say. I think each member is holding up their part. In the FVT clips Kyo was ON. I think he has that same problem I do where I dislike anything I've made after so long, unless I think it's that good. It sure seems that way, 'cause if he appears to like a song, he tries too hard (Obscure, occasionally Saku and IIID Empire) and if he doesn't seem to like it, he doesn't try at all (dead tree, Rasetsukoku, Jesus Christ Rn'R). But now he's finally reaching the point where he'll sing a song in an at least tolerable manner. I haven't heard him screw up Ryojoku no Ame or Clever Sleazoid yet.

When it comes to the songwriting, I don't hear how it got any worse. Kaoru's finally learned how to play clear notes instead of just making noise (Which happened alot on WtD, though it's my favorite of their albums). Die's finally learned how to sound like him and Kaoru have once existed in the same room. Toshiya's audible! The structure is slowly leaning more toward hardcore than nu metal. There's a chorus and all, but it isn't where it'd be most predictable. On first listen, I couldn't see it coming, and that keeps me interested. While nu metal usually have standard beginning-verse-bridge-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus-fill in the blank-bridge-chorus-chorus-end.. these all have their own flow.. so, by no means is this songwriting bad. The music is just heavier, that's it.

@Miruku: I think so. I saw Kaoru.

EDIT: I just saw the unedited video.. And.. wow. That was just WRONG. That.. thing was scewing the other thing on the floor... The whole pooping on the girl thing was.. ugh.. no.. and his wang turning into a kissing head was absolutely horrid. I really wish they WOULD have put Dir en grey in some stupid white room and made them thrash. That would've been better than THIS. This would be good as some kind of.. random sick cartoon, but it doesn't go with the song. It sure didn't creep me out like KoRn's video did, but it gave me the bad kind of butterflies. The same kind that Radiohead's Paranoid Android gave me. It's not like.. scary or anything, but it's nearly nightmare material. ::erm::
 

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Ryojoku no ame, Nemuri no Mayoi, and Bodaiju remain me why I still listen to Dir en grey. For a while there I had forgotten.
 

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Miruku wrote:
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@Miruku: I think so. I saw Kaoru.

mhm, me too. And the others too, except Die.. where is he hiding?

In your shoe.

Miz- Wow. You think it's that odd? I personally find the ASoM PV funny as hell. The one I find disturbing is the un-edited version of Mazohyst of Decadence. For some reason that was creepy as FUCK to me.The whole time I was watching the un-edited I was like "...XD LMAOTHISISWEIRDXD"
I don't really like it, I prolly wont go off watching it again, but it gave me a good laugh
It's so random
 

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I watched AsoM with my friend 3 am in the morning, I don't think I've ever laughed that much to a video. And.. mazohyst of decadence is so much more disturbing and disgusting than any other video by dir en grey imo, while obscure makes me laugh and want to throw up, mazohyst of decadence makes me want to cry and throw up..

edit: I just saw the uncensored. Yay for maggots having sex. This video is so weird...
 

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I love the ASoM Video purely because I love the animation o_o;; Plus the ending was pretty rockin'
 

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I enjoy the video, it's pretty funny to me. At first, I was a bit disappointed with it (when I saw the clip), but I figured they probably didn't want to have to come up with another 'look' until the release of the new album.
 

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IIID wrote:
I enjoy the video, it's pretty funny to me. At first, I was a bit disappointed with it (when I saw the clip), but I figured they probably didn't want to have to come up with another 'look' until the release of the new album.

Oh. Wow. I never even thought of that.
But it makes sense.^.^
 

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Their new album is called The Marrow of a Bone. ::zetsubou::

Released on 2007.02.07, is that 7th Feburary?
 

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evespikey wrote:
Their new album is called The Marrow of a Bone. ::zetsubou::

Released on 2007.02.07, is that 7th Feburary?
I have to admit.... quality of the music aside, I prefer the simple way they used to title their releases. ::zetsubou::
 

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"The Marrow of a Bone?" How ironic! My Anatomy/Physiology class is studying bones! ::meev::

I wanna know just who came up with that name for the album, and what made them think of that. I mean, if they keep up with lengthening their album titles, eventually they'll have "The Flying Vomit of the Poor Homeless Woman and her Deformed Husband" or something of that nature... /slight sarcasm

Thanks for the information, though. :D I would imagine the date means February 2, but that may just be my eagerness talking.
 
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