Rudolf Steiner - Queen of Decadence

[Daedolon]

I'm here to ask you again about the authencity of Schwarz Stein related items

I wanna know in what kind of C-Cassette the Queen of Decadence demotape was distributed in, and if the cover art should cut like in the picture shown below:



Normally cassettes have a fourth folding to the left of the scan (on the left side of the bottom part), that goes on the other side of the case. My (TDK) case doesn't have the plastic cover on the other side at all, it only has small edges to hold the cassette in:

I'm thinking if this is the reason they didn't have the fourth folding to the left at all?

The cassette is an unlabeled "TDK AE 30 Normal Position Type I" c-cassette.

Please let me know what kind of versions you have of the cassette, thanks!

 

[Neovirtu]

I don't have this tape but I know that DT's usually don't have lablels on them.

Also I have seen this tape many times, and yes that is the cover for it.

Again, usually with these kinda demotapes, there's not a fourth folding back.

My Velvet Eden demotape is just layed out like yours and they don't have labels - I saw that specific demo tape on Yahoo J Auctions and the tape didn't have a label. But it did have a mini poster, a flyer and a huge lyric sheet all in a pack *lol*

EDIT: The tapes I have seen are also TDK as well

 

[faith]

If people wanted to make fake copies of things and post them on ebay to make money then I do not think they would do it for Rudolph Steiner tapes.

Besides, what if they used two different kinds of tapes when they hand re-recorded everything because they bought too few tapes initially and there was a sale on a different kind at JUSCO?

I'm sorry, but all the back and forth on authenticating stuff is kinda weirding me out. I suggest carbon dating to the date of release.

 

[Daedolon]

I don't have this tape but I know that DT's usually don't have lablels on them.

Also I have seen this tape many times, and yes that is the cover for it.

Again, usually with these kinda demotapes, there's not a fourth folding back.

My Velvet Eden demotape is just layed out like yours and they don't have labels - I saw that specific demo tape on Yahoo J Auctions and the tape didn't have a label. But it did have a mini poster, a flyer and a huge lyric sheet all in a pack *lol*

EDIT: The tapes I have seen are also TDK as well

Thanks for the reply, looks like they did use these kind of TDK cassettes around 2001 then. I also have the lyric sheet as well.

I'm sorry, but all the back and forth on authenticating stuff is kinda weirding me out. I suggest carbon dating to the date of release.

I personally don't want to pay for anything that's not original, especially in cases of demotapes it's easy to get cheated over since there's not really much to compare your copy to.

 

[Neovirtu]

^

You're right. Where did you buy it from? Anyway, these demotapes are home-made like anyway so again, I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[Daedolon]

It was on YJ.

 

[Neovirtu]

It shouldn't be fake. I'm not entirley sure, but I doubt it would be. Especially if it's from YJ, but if you bought it on eBay for like $2 then it's different. As I said, the way you have described your tape and the tape itself and the cover just sounds like any other demo tape. They're indie, so sometimes each copy can be a bit different, I know on some tapes the cutting of the inlay inside can sometimes be squint.

 

[Daedolon]

If people wanted to make fake copies of things and post them on ebay to make money then I do not think they would do it for Rudolph Steiner tapes.

That's a good point, though there are tons of chinese bootlegs of Schwarz Stein's albums and a combination with all Moi dix Mois/Schwarz Stein singles on eBay, so it looks like Schwarz Stein isn't forgotten by illegal printers.

I know on some tapes the cutting of the inlay inside can sometimes be squint.

Well that's what I was worried about the most, I have several western bands' demotapes and all of them have a fourth folding, unlike this Rudolf Steiner demotape, which is a first to me.

 

[LejuN]

That is definitely the cover cut style of the tape. And that looks like the same cassette brand used on the one I had and the few that I have seen (unless of course they are all fakes ).

 

[Daedolon]

That is definitely the cover cut style of the tape. And that looks like the same cassette brand used on the one I had and the few that I have seen (unless of course they are all fakes ).

Thanks alot for the reply! Here's a picture of the cassette:

 

[LejuN]

Well I see you got the lyrics insert too... I don't remember so much pink on the cassette, but it was definitely TDK and had that see-through grey color as well.

I am gonna vote "legit".

 

[Daedolon]

Well I see you got the lyrics insert too... I don't remember so much pink on the cassette, but it was definitely TDK and had that see-through grey color as well.

It's actually blood red, but it's the flash that makes it look pink. ::kisaki::

 

[LejuN]

Yeah, that makes a LOT more sense. I do remember the reds.

 

[boi de memoire]

lol, to actually record a demo TAPE at THAT time in Japan, lol

 

[flowersofnight]

I checked my copy and it matches. There's nothing to worry about.

In general I don't think anyone pirates demo tapes. I've never seen a fake one.

 

[Daedolon]

I checked my copy and it matches. There's nothing to worry about..

Thanks.

In general I don't think anyone pirates demo tapes. I've never seen a fake one.

Yeah, it seems so, but isn't it weird? At least amongst fans, the demotapes are usually very sought after and hard to find, you'd think someone would want to use that in their advantage?

 

[faith]

Think about it though - no one uses tapes anymore.

CD's must be cheaper and faster to mass produce, and they're usually in higher demand.
If you could buy a CD for $30 and sell 40 $10 CD's (at .25 production cost per CD) to 40 fans in a month with the chance of continuing sales afterwards,
or buy a demo tape for $80 and sell 2 demo tapes for $80 to 2 fans in a month (being sure to track which tapes you sold when, and spacing them so no one would get suspicious), which would you chose?

 

[LejuN]

@faith, sure, but you are thinking more along the lines of a straight bootlegger rather than someone who wants to make a little extra cash.

I could easily see someone copying one or two demo's and making a quick $100-$200.

For instance, I can actually picture someone who used to post a lot of for sale items here all the time, doing it. In fact, didn't he try it once with message CDs? Or am I mistaken?

 

[Daedolon]

Yeah, I meant some individuals selling one or two bootlegged demotapes on eBay or such.

You'd actually think that it would be quite common.