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kozikim wrote:
Loki is the Norse god-giant of mischief

actually.. His name is Loke. At least where I live, and I live in the land of these gods.. x)) I've never heard him being called Loki before. Maybe that's his international name? It does fit with Közi's image, I have to admit it's a god idea.. If only his name was Loki and not Loke xP I've always thought Loki N' Roll was just some kind of engrish... :roll:
 

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Miruku wrote:
kozikim wrote:
Loki is the Norse god-giant of mischief

actually.. His name is Loke. At least where I live, and I live in the land of these gods.. x)) I've never heard him being called Loki before. Maybe that's his international name? It does fit with Közi's image, I have to admit it's a god idea.. If only his name was Loki and not Loke xP I've always thought Loki N' Roll was just some kind of engrish... :roll:

Actually I've never seen it spelt with an e, so it must be an international thing. I don't know much of myths but every where I've seen it mentioned was with and I. I'm not sure though. *shrugs*
 

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Loki and Loke are both transliteration.

kozikim: I agree with most of what you've wrote ^^. There's also the fact that if you don't think of translation it can do "Roki 'n Roll" so.. Yeah! haha.
 

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Yeah he could just be writing Rock n roll in a funny way...cause if you say Loki in roll in a weird enough way it sounds like rock...sorta...maybe..... ::shifty::

Who knows what Kozi means, we're talking about trying to dive into the mind of a GENIUS!!! XD The world may never know. Unless we ask and bribe with candy... ::meev::
 

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haha, I'm sure he has deep meaning behind it and means rock 'n roll too. Japanese people tend to do a pose when they say it, so it sounds like " rock-e 'n ROOOOLLL!!! " when they say it.
 

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haha, I'm sure he has deep meaning behind it and means rock 'n roll too. Japanese people tend to do a pose when they say it, so it sounds like " rock-e 'n ROOOOLLL!!! " when they say it.

that and when you say "loki n' roll" it sounds like "rockin' roll" ,,,eh...at least to me. ::meev:: and also kozi talking about this album and being all -> :D <- at beatshuffle was priceless as well as his sunglasses. ::gaku::
 

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<3 Awww man I missed Kozi's dorky hotness, but those pictures are great. ::squee:: He's sooooo cute! *fan girl squee*

He does sometimes during radio shows seem really upbeat, it's great!! He's always smiling and laughing.

I'm sure Kozi has fun "Rockin and rollin" :lol:

But who knows, Kozi likes play on words...or at least I'm pretty sure. He's a tricky guy <3
 

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Heh, I always think that Loki seems like a very "Közi-ish" god. :grin: When Loki n' Roll came out I read some interesting stuff about Loki in a book on mythology that I have, and it seems to fit well with the concept. :) And as someone mentioned before, he seems to have an interest in Norse mythology, what with the Nyd/Who's Mind thing. :p
 

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Loki was the sole reason why the Ragnarok arrived, because he made a blind god kill his brother (another god). That was merely his only role.

Now if that's what your representation of közi is, it's a sick joke.
 

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No, I don't mean I associate Közi to Loki because he caused Baldur's death. :shock: That might be what Loki is best known for, but it is not his only characteristic! I can't refer to my book at the moment, because I'm at work, but I can take some stuff from it later if anybody is interested. :)
 

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Pierrot wrote:
Loki was the sole reason why the Ragnarok arrived, because he made a blind god kill his brother (another god). That was merely his only role.

Now if that's what your representation of közi is, it's a sick joke.

That was a little more confrontational than it needed to be o_O

Wikipedia wrote:
Even though Loki may have been a liability to Gods (leading to the death of Baldr, the birth of Fenris and other monsters that would eventually engulf the world), he provided the Gods with all their magical artifacts from Thor's hammer to the flying ships, and these artifacts help the Gods ultimately defeat evil. He leads to the birth of Ragnarok, but also provides the means to overcome it.
(Emphasis mine)

Wikipedia wrote:
In Norse mythology, Ragnarök ("fate of the gods"[1]) is the battle at the end of the world. It would be waged between the gods (the Æsir, led by Odin) and their aggressors (the fire giants, the Jotuns and various monsters, led by Loki). Not only will some of the gods, giants, and monsters perish in this apocalyptic conflagration, but almost everything in the universe will be torn asunder.

In Viking warrior societies, dying in battle is admirable. This is carried over into the worship of a pantheon in which the gods themselves will one day be overthrown at Ragnarök. Exactly what will happen, who will fight whom, and the fates of the participants in this battle are well known to the Norse peoples from their own sagas and skaldic poetry. The Völuspá — prophecy of the völva (sybil), the first lay of the Poetic Edda, dating from about 1000 AD — spans the history of the gods, from the beginning of time to Ragnarök, in 65 stanzas. The Prose Edda, written two centuries later by Snorri Sturluson, describes in detail what would take place before, during, and even after the battle.

What is unique about Ragnarök as an eschatological myth is its emphasis on the idea that the gods already know through prophecy what is going to happen: when the event will occur, who will be slain by whom, and so forth. They even realize that they are powerless to prevent Ragnarök. But they will still bravely and defiantly face their bleak destiny. This is thought by many scholars to represent the ordered world (the Æsir) eventually succumbing to the unavoidable forces of chaos and entropy (the Giants). This is similar to the representation of the monstrous children of Uranus in Greek mythology as the primordial forces of chaos.
((Emphasis once again, mine.))

And Kinsao is right that while that may be what Loki is BEST known for among many, that's not his only characteristic.

@Kinsao- I'm interested! post it!

Also: I was surprised to see this thread of mine revived XD
 

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I will post it, when I get home! :D Personally I find it fascinating... but I didn't want to clog up the thread which mythology-related quotations that people might not have been at all interested in. :P
 

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kozikim wrote:
Miruku wrote:
kozikim wrote:
Loki is the Norse god-giant of mischief

actually.. His name is Loke. At least where I live, and I live in the land of these gods.. x)) I've never heard him being called Loki before. Maybe that's his international name? It does fit with Közi's image, I have to admit it's a god idea.. If only his name was Loki and not Loke xP I've always thought Loki N' Roll was just some kind of engrish... :roll:

Actually I've never seen it spelt with an e, so it must be an international thing. I don't know much of myths but every where I've seen it mentioned was with and I. I'm not sure though. *shrugs*

ok ^^' I've never heard anything but Loke.. *convinced that is the real name* whatever... :3 I think his character is kozi-ish too.. I've got a book somewhere, and some stories but I was so young when I read them that I don't remember them... Except that I liked Loke :cool: And the crows. Maybe I should try to find them... ^^'

I suddenly remember.. One of the groups in the scout-thing I was in when I was younger was named Loke :o *off-topic*
 

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I'm sorry for the earlier post, my feelings of the moment shouldn't interfere with posts that have nothing to do with it.

I'd like to know how you think he is közi-ish though, and not just say "he is közi-ish".

Oh, and apart from the pictures, too. (I know I'm being hard on people XD)
 

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Ok guys, I'll be quick now! :) (*needs to get back to work* :mad: )....

This is from Mythology: an illustrated encylopedia of the principal myths and religions of the world, edited by Richard Cavendish.

"There is no stranger figure in world mythology than Loki. Half divine and half demonic, Odin's foster-brother, the begetter of horrors - he is an intricate web of contradictions. He has been compared to the Greek hero Prometheus and in some modern eyes has been given a spurious grandeur as the enemy of constituted authority. Even his sex is in doubt. Perhaps for this reason, he (or she) finds it hard to strike up any normal relationship with gods or with men."

[Then follows a story about Loki: basically he was the son of a giant, and he fathered the Midgard Serpent, the wolf Fenrir, and Hel, the goddess who ruled the land of the dead. The story tells about some advice Loki gave the gods, which went badly for them, and they turned on him, and to escape them he changed himself into a mare, and later gave birth to a grey foal with 8 legs - Sleipnir, famous for being Odin's charger.]

"To the other gods Loki was a useful but dangerous ally. His relationship to them is graphically portrayed in a poem in the Verse Edda, in which he breaks in on them when they are drinking and insults each of them in turn. One of the goddesses, Idun, tries to stop an incipient argument, only to have Loki snap at her: 'Shut up, Idun, you are the most promiscuous of women, since you put your arms around the man who murdered your brother.' ( :lol: ) Frigg he calls a whore, Njord he accuses of incest, Heimdall the watchman he taunts as a layabout. He also boasts of all the harm he has done, which includes seducing Thor's wife, and he ceases only when Thor threatens him with physical violence. This poem gives an insight into Loki's character as a trickster and trouble-maker. Mischievous is too weak a word to apply to him, though at times his malice is merely petty. At other times he is simply malevolant, as in the story of Baldur's death.

In Loki normal values are turned upside-down and normal relationships confused. Is it too far-fetched, or too 'modern', to see him playing a role in the cosmic drama similar to that of the skull at the banquet or the jester at the wedding? He personifies the paradoxical, he acts out the inversion of values. A paradox cannot be explained, but it can be acted out."
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(K) It's also thought by some people that "Loki" is a variation of "Logi", "wildfire" (which explains the reference to the myth of Prometheus). I've never seen it written in an English book as "Loke", although I guess the native speakers know best! :grin:

There's a lot in there that is interesting...

EDIT: I was posting at the same time as Pierrot, so I hadn't read his post. The things that I think are particularly "Közi-ish" are... the elements of paradox, of contradictions, of being "half divine and half demonic"... I can't quite pin down in words why I associate that with Közi's image/persona; I suppose flimsy examples are the way he tends to make-up asymmetrically, having 2 "halves" to his face; also in his music, while not being exactly "contradictory", for me its variety is noticeable, and the way it contains elements of the sinister and carnivalesque side by side, as well as contrasting heavy and delicate styles. He isn't at all easy to pin down, which seems also a characteristic of Loki.

There are also things like "the enemy of constituted authority", which ties in with some kind of rebel, rock-star image on the shallow level; and also the gender-confusion thing. (*remembers her mum saying "Why is your brother wearing a skirt?"* :lol: )

I can certainly see Közi playing the role of the skull at the banquet or the jester at the wedding (both skulls and jesters having been associated with him!) and it seems like the kind of role he might appreciate... XD. On the other hand, I have no idea if he is particularly insulting (XD) and afaik he's never turned into a horse! :lol:
 

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Or turned himself into a fish. haha.

I agree that if there were a movie about the Gods, and if they had to choose him a role, he'd definitly do the best as Loki.

While reading the excerpt you put up, I feel like Loki is more of a representation of "an eye for an eye". Don't you agree?
 
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