This I've confirmed with one of CCP's former distributors, who I've obtained CCP titles from before.
And if one of Alfred's friends said it ergo it must be true.
Actually, that was mentioned by someone who downright hates him.
And I have a copy of that sitting right here, so CCP was operating normally for a short period.
Well of course. Otherwise how would they convince people that they were really back in business. They'd have to get at least one thing out.
Putting the time and effort into doing one release, for what? Flailing on the next one? 2:1 isn't the greatest scam, even for a guy like this.
Part of the reason CCP fell apart was a botched deal with SPV.
SPV was supposed to be one of the 2 main distributors for CCP product worldwide, but ended up either kiboshing the deal, or delaying on it so long that it put too much financial strain on CCP.
Ah, but I see that you don't actually
know what happened do you? All you know is that
something went wrong with SPV. So it's not that you have any actual knowledge is it? You know that SPV was to blame, because Alfred
said that SPV was to blame. He, in fact, said it on Side Line's forum after he was forced to admit that neither CDs nor festival were really happening. Blame it on evil SPV who wouldn't distribute the CDs. And how is it their fault that he delayed all his alleged releases for months on end? Or that he wouldn't mail out CDs to people that paid for them and still does not to this day? How is it their fault that he lied to people for months about why he wasn't sending out CDs, including things like 'I'm not in the office' or 'my grandmother's dog died'. SPV though a major distributor of independent labels are by no means the only distributor. What happened to the other ones CCP were using? And why is it that nobody else wants to work with CCP? And why is it, that if this was all true, CCP did not give CDs to EOD to sell at lives, or why did they not set up an online store themselves, but are selling on eBay like any other respectable bootlegger.
Never did I say SPV was to blame, nor are they evil. I've had great business with them, and they've been very supportive over the years. However, SPV are the ones that killed the deal. Why? Who knows. Probably because Alfred couldn't get his act together. The intention was never to say SPV are evil, or that they killed EoD. They did kill the CCP Deal. They may have been smart to do so. That much is conjecture.
In regards to EoD, they made some money on this. They must have. Artists get paid advances when they sign to a label.
In which universe is this true of small labels and in which particular planet in that universe? I want to move there. Me and all of my friends.
Earth, it would seem. Any band I've ever known that have signed a deal, even to microscopic labels, have gotten some up-front compensation.
EoD would have been paid an advance for this album, unless for some strange reason they agreed to an EXTREMELY poor contract.
Let's not get into why EOD would have signed an extremely poor contract, but let's just say that it is very likely that they might have. And even if the contract was OK and CCP broke it, what were they going to do? File a lawsuit from Japan? Contracts are irrelevant in cases like these.
They didn't sign a contract in Calcutta. Saying a contract in Germany is irrelevant is just silly.
He's Paid EoD the advance to release the album. He's paid the cost of printing the CD. He's paid for a little advertising. He's paid for solicitation materials. So he's put a fair amount of money out to get these CDs made.
Regarding the advance, see above. Regarding the cost of printing the CD, EOD have said that they paid for the CD themselves. Are you going to call them liars over Alfred? Regarding advertising - what advertising? Posting as his alternate ego on Side Line's forum? Putting together a couple of flyers? He did nothing. So no, he's put no money into this CD and the money that he may have put I'm sure he's made up by now with all the orders he took for CDs that he never shipped.
I'm not calling anyone a liar. If EoD said they paid for producing the CDs, then I'd believe them. I've never seen them say that, but I'll certainly take your word for it. There were some advertisements though. I had one or two magazines that I came across from Europe with a CCP ad in them, and it even had the cover art for N+E, as well as the Amgod boxset.
I think EoD got something out of this. Sure, they didn't get it all, but I think Alfred ended up getting even less. It's not like he's living in a palace now. In fact, he probably has a leaky ceiling.
Unless it's the leaky ceiling in jail, I don't see how this is not too good for him. The man is obviously a professional scammer and it's beyond me how you can sit there and defend the poor, misunderstood guy.
I'm not defending anything. In fact, at one point in my post I even called some of his actions indefensible.
I'm not trying to force these CDs on anyone. It's a personal interest of mine to obtain a genuine copy. It's an interest of some of my friends and customers as well.
Of course. And you will just happen to make some profit in the course of assisting these people.
If I was interested in Profit, I wouldn't be trying this in the first place, as there's a chance my money will just disappear.
If not buying one satisfies some sort of moral itch inside of you, then that's just as valid as my reasoning.
Morality has nothing to do with it. If one label gets away with treating artists this way, a lot more will try to.
I'm sure a lot of labels are dying to follow in Alfred's footsteps. All the way into Chapter 11.
Buying a CD isn't going to help EoD.
No. It's just going to help Alfred and you make illegal money.
Right. I'll change my last name to Escobar. It'll be great.
Other people will buy them. Eventually they'll all dry up, and Nervous and Innocence will no longer exist. Wether or not you get a relic for that lost civilization is up to you.
Very touching. But nothing to do with the point at all.
It has everything to do with the point. Regardless of what happened in this whole fiasco, I still think they'd want people to enjoy their CD. They may not want people to try getting it from CCP, but unfortunately, that's the only source that exists. If I knew of any other, ANY other, I'd be all over it. Sadly, I do not.
EoD seem to be calling it quits. Kozi probably realized he's doing better for himself with his solo career.
Once more you are assuming things without any knowledge.
He's put out 2 full albums, some singles, and is gigging more often.
It doesn't take much knowledge to call that better. Although if you want to take exception to every single thing I say, I guess this comment fits the theme.
CCP is probably only one factor in EoD's demise. One botched EP isn't enough to kill a band, unless the band had weak resolve to begin with.
Or unless the band has spent all their money touring for three years in the hopes of eventually releasing a CD that will assist them in getting some of it back and end up not being able to continue financially because somebody conned them.
Most artists don't make any money off their CDs to begin with. The live shows are the lifeblood. Sure, it would be nice to have a CD to be promoting on tour, but I Digress. That's a whole other can of snakes.
Say what you may, this isn't even about EOD (though I find it very hard to understand how you can call yourself a music lover and want this CD)
Seems pretty simple. I love music. I'd like to hear the CD.
People didn't stop buying Pretty Hate Machine after TVT boned Trent Reznor. I have yet to meet a NIN fan that doesn't own it.
I'd like to be able to own a piece of work that EoD worked to put together. I'd like to see the artwork they chose, the lyrics (if any) and photos (again, if any.) It may even be their only produced legacy.
it's about supporting a criminal who seems to always get away with the same things, because there's people who will fall for it every time, and you have agreed yourself that he is one in another post if I recall. But this is all a very technical discussion that doesn't really have a place here.
He's been to jail, yes. I never bothered to ask specifics, but you're right, time in jail makes you a criminal.
What has a place here is that are you trying to promote this CD in a forum that has a long standing tradition of being against any kind of bootlegging or of downloading obtainable releases or even linking to places that might contain very poor versions of them, for the exact reason that they feel it is harmful to the artists. So just do not expect everybody to be happy about what you're doing, that's all.
I don't think it could be fairly considered a Bootleg, or a poor version. It was officially produced. In fact, you said the band themselves even paid to have them produced, so that could hardly be considered a Bootleg.
As I said before, this is hardly a move motivated by profit.
Hell, I'd be more than willing to give any money made on the CDs to Ash and Kozi. I know a lot of people were excited about this release, and still would be if they knew they could get it. I am one of those people. Right off the bat, it seems like you've got some Vendetta against me. Fair enough, perhaps you misread my intentions. I'm not trying to excuse Alfred, and I'm not trying to turn this into the downpayment on my next car.
I just wanted to allow people to get this phantom release if possible.
It is a sticky situation, because yes, that ass will gain off any sort of transaction between me and him. If the moderators here feel that the CD is considered contraband, or that my efforts don't seem genuine and lean on the side of crass profiteering, then I'll certainly stop and scrap the whole idea. We've always gone out of our way to be a shop that can help people get the music they love. I also personally go out of my way to be accessible to people.
You've gone out of your way to voice your opinion, as hostile as it may have seemed, and I have enjoyed it. It was pretty long, and clearly showed we do have something in common, and that's Passion for our Musical interests. It's also given me some new things to consider, and I've managed to learn something.
They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
My intention was to help, but there would indeed be a Devil to Pay.
And Seriously, if anyone has contact with either Kozi or Ash, I'd be more than happy to work out a way to try and get CDs to sell for THEIR benefit. It could be my Mardi Gras coin for the music biz.