Info A message from Kami's family

Discussion in '-main-' started by etherealspirits, Oct 15, 2018.

  1. etherealspirits -dead scape- dead scape

    etherealspirits
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:41 pm

    The MALICE MIZER website has been updated with a message from Kami's family
    http://www.malice-mizer.co.jp/

    I get it that some people want to see Kami's grave. But his family's wishes people would not. Given what has happened at Hide's grave, it's understandable. Most people are respectful but not everyone. Kami's grave is for his family, so it seems they wish to be able to visit it in peace.

    I was reading the comments to the remarks on Twitter and someone actually gave a "but Gackt" response. Like his filming should make it okay for others not to respect Kami's family's wishes? Although I am reading a translated version and maybe they misunderstood the original message and thought it was a request to visit Kami's grave?

    I do think it's wonderful how people still remember Kami. Online and with that concert. His family was very kind in letting his drums and other items be used. And the photos. I hope they and MALICE MIZER will share at least some of those either on line or in some kind of recording.
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:25 pm

    etherealspirits wrote:
    If you're using Gackt's behavior as an excuse for anything you've already made a grave mistake :lol:

    I could see how someone might get the wrong idea via translation though, since the family message was kind of indirect. "Please continue memorializing Kami from your own damn house"
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:13 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    Actually the person is Japanese, I was the one who wasn't sure if they were saying why can't they because Gackt filmed there, or if they were saying because Gackt filmed there we can see that.

    But yeah, Mana had to make sure people understood what was being said. Yu~ki also tweeted it out so it's from more than one person. It's that Japanese problem of not being able to say no.

    Yu~ki also wrote that he looks forward to performing again. YaY~
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:02 pm

    I took it as a "calling out Gackt on his shitty actions" comment. I guess there really are 2 types of people in this fandom....

    But, seriously, I'm actually a little shocked they had to make this PSA - I thought stalking celebrity graves and whatnot was strictly an "Ugly Westerner" thing... Am I racist?
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:17 pm

    Witchka wrote:
    The family received a letter or letters. I'm guessing they were left at the concerts. There were a lot of letters in the boxes for gifts. Actually going to graves is a big thing in Japan. Hide from X-Japan is a well known one that gets a lot of attention. People from all over the world go to hide's grave. People leave stuff there. But then recently some one stole items hide's family left there. In 2013 someone actually scratched the marker and took items. I'm not sure if it was a Japanese person or someone from outside of Japan that did the recent theft but it sounded like the incident in 2013 was someone who was Japanese. So this might be part of the reason why Kami's family would like to keep Kami's grave private for now. Plus it lets them be able to visit it without having to deal with unknown people.
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:21 pm

    What makes it worse is that from what we could see in that Gackt video, it's not "Kami's grave", it's the Kamimura family grave. They probably don't want it to become a tourist attraction while they're still actively using it and burying more family members there.
     
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    Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:25 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    Jesus! That's just... No bueno.
     
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    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:17 pm

    What happened with hide's grave??????
     
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    Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:17 pm

    Cantavanda wrote:
    Here is the much missed Visual Ioner's post about what happened in 2013 https://visualioner.com/2013/03/04/the-vandalization-of-hides-grave/
    The stealing that happened this year, I remember someone on Tumblr mentioned it, but it would take some time to find that. Basically someone stole things that hide's parents and others had left there.
     
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