What dir en grey said on a interview about Moi dix Mois/Mana

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Camuflagem wrote:
Kazuo...i already said why i think they are arrogant, if you don't understand, i am very sorry, but i won't repeat myself all over again. Actions can speak more than words sometimes, you know. ;)

I like some Deg songs; and i am not a fan of a lot of their albums, but i don't go around bashing them or anything. I am just very sad to see their un-ethical actions towards an artist that i like very much. As I said, i've got this feeling, if you don't...it is OK. I am just trying to put my point of view here, i am sure there will be other people who will share it with me.

What "unethical actions"? I'd really love for you to explain this. If you have a "feeling" it's just an assumption so I wouldn't say they're arrogant based on an assumption of what they might think. I'm sure you'd have something to argue if they had said right out "Oh yeah, he's an idiot. He wears too much makeup and has little to no guitar skill", sure, then I'd say that's pretty arrogant, but that's not the case here.

I guess what I'm basically trying to say is.. it could have been alot worse.
 

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The said no comment. WIthout hearing their tone, you cannot tell if it was said sarcastically or in a calm matter.

The giggle could have been in an akwardness of the question, since I'm sure, being from a VK band themselves, they must have heard a lot of questions concerning MM.

I really see nothing wrong with Die's response, & you know.. sometimes when people say "No comment," they mean "I have no opinion on the matter."

You're kind of exagurating this situation. :\
 

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even if they said they hate m10m (which they didn't, but still), who cares? i don't care what others say about mana or m10m, it's not like their opinion will change mine
 

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I don't think this was meant to be offensive, but I'm pretty positive Dir en grey don't think too much of Moi dix Mois since on some kind of BBC special about them or something like that, Die said he "hates" goths, and added "especially the Lolita style." Sorry if that's slightly misquoted, I haven't seen it in a while.
 

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What would be acting in a respectable manner, anyway? Saying they like something that they don't? If it had said "I have no opinion on this matter", as opposed to "No comment", would it have bugged you as much?
 

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Kazuo wrote:
Camuflagem wrote:
Kazuo...i already said why i think they are arrogant, if you don't understand, i am very sorry, but i won't repeat myself all over again. Actions can speak more than words sometimes, you know. ;)

I like some Deg songs; and i am not a fan of a lot of their albums, but i don't go around bashing them or anything. I am just very sad to see their un-ethical actions towards an artist that i like very much. As I said, i've got this feeling, if you don't...it is OK. I am just trying to put my point of view here, i am sure there will be other people who will share it with me.

What "unethical actions"? I'd really love for you to explain this. If you have a "feeling" it's just an assumption so I wouldn't say they're arrogant based on an assumption of what they might think. I'm sure you'd have something to argue if they had said right out "Oh yeah, he's an idiot. He wears too much makeup and has little to no guitar skill", sure, then I'd say that's pretty arrogant, but that's not the case here.

I guess what I'm basically trying to say is.. it could have been alot worse.
If you follow Dir en Grey you should know by now that they try as much to be away from VK as the devil runs from the cross. I dunno why they stayed neutral in this interview...maybe because it wasn't Kyo answering, but i felt that by the way they were answering they were not treating mana as a equal. It sounded like he was a joke. If you read the JAME interview of the band Electric eel shock, you will understand more clearly what i am trying to say - the "funny" thing about being a VK band, in the view of non-VK bands. Maybe they didn't tell with all the letters, and i am making assumptions, but i am making these based on what i comprehended after reading the interview. Or are you going to say that the "truth" is only one? People can interpret it the way they want, and for me it sounded that way.

Besides, remember that they are japanese. And japanese people like to talk in a more polite way, with subtle messages sometimes.

I don't care if it would be worse. I care about the fact that i found it to be arrogant and disrespectful.

And of course, it will never change my view/respect about Mana or any other artist i like; respect takes long time to be solidified, while to destroy it takes only seconds.

Concluding, if you were doing a lecture in a classroom about the church with a bunch of catholic kids, and started giggling and not keeping a posture like you did in other classes, wouldn't they find that you were disrespecting their religion? If you don't think that's direspectful; if i were one of these kids, i would. It was only necessary to pronounce Mana's name, so Deg memebers would start to laugh. It could be as other peple stated it, but i higly doubt it based on the fact that they try to hide their VK past as much as possible.

Ps: the un-ethical thing is just more about this disrecpectful behaviour i explained above. Then again, you can say it is their opinion on another band, but that's not, exactly, only this that i saw along those lines.
 

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Yeah Die said that he hates gothics and gothic lolita, so when I saw that interview I realize that he hates Mana sama as well :roll: well not Mana specially but the kind of Mana artist, come on let him to say everything he want we will not stop liking Mana for the "no comment" of Die right? and Deg is just like that XD so just don't worry about that..
o.o maybe he's jealous because MdM had their own live in Germany and Deg didn't :lol: just kidding.
ja neeeeee ::dix::
 

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Sense when did not liking Moi Dix Mois suddenly become a felony? I mean come on, it wasn't like they were saying Moi Dix Mois is the worse band in the entire universe. Besides which, is not like they're obligated to like them. I don't see why that would cause anyone to lose respect for them. I'd actually have more respect for them if they actually spoke their minds.
 

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So what do you think about L'arc en Ciel walking off stage when a TV announcer called them "VK"? (http://nippop.com/artist/artist_id-88/a ... c_en_ciel/ I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate, but it's something.)

And so it doesn't change how you feel about Mana. I feel conversely; it doesn't change how I feel about Deg. I'm all for allowing various interpretations of things, but I'm gonna say that you're reading way too much into it.
 

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Why is this an issue? Their opinions (or lack thereof, since there was "no comment") does nothing to effect their music, or Mana's music, or how we fans should enjoy or dislike either. :|
 

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Elec wrote:
And so it doesn't change how you feel about Mana. I feel conversely; it doesn't change how I feel about Deg. I'm all for allowing various interpretations of things, but I'm gonna say that you're reading way too much into it.
That wasn't exactly my point. My point was that this entire agurment is based on unsolid facts. Everyone is interpeting "no comment" as meaning that Dir en grey doesn't like or have any respect for Moi Dix Mois and dissing Dir en grey (yet again). I'm just saying that A) this agrument is pointless because it's based on assumptions and B) It's not that serious to begin with. I don't care if they hate each other of like each other or not. As long as they make music I like.
 

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Elec wrote:
So what do you think about L'arc en Ciel walking off stage when a TV announcer called them "VK"? (http://nippop.com/artist/artist_id-88/a ... c_en_ciel/ I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate, but it's something.)

And so it doesn't change how you feel about Mana. I feel conversely; it doesn't change how I feel about Deg.

This info about L'arc is not 100% correct. My friend is a big fan of L'arc and told me about this sometime ago; it was not the whole band, just Tetsu left the stage. I am not saying Deg is bad just because they say they are not VK anymore, i just find it very hypocrite to be making fun of a band of a style that you were part before. Maybe they were only part of VK once, so they could get noticed more quickly and get a contract with a major label, and drop the visual. besides, i don't see L'arc acting like Deg does in interviews.
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I'm all for allowing various interpretations of things, but I'm gonna say that you're reading way too much into it.
Ok then. btw, did you read the electric eel shock interview?
 

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I think it was pretty respectful, actually.
Die decided not to say anything, and just pass on the question, as opposed to saying "Mana is a weaksauce Guitarist" or something. By not saying anything Negative in a public forum, I'd see that as a sign of respect.

As for someone giggling suddenly, that could be caused by any number of things. Maybe Die and Mana got drunk and made out once somewhere. It could be from any number of possible inside jokes, past run-ins, whatever. To assume the laughter is some form of blatant disrespect is ridiculous, as you can't possibly know the exact context.
 

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Flatliner wrote:
As for someone giggling suddenly, that could be caused by any number of things. Maybe Die and Mana got drunk and made out once somewhere. It could be from any number of possible inside jokes, past run-ins, whatever. To assume the laughter is some form of blatant disrespect is ridiculous, as you can't possibly know the exact context.
sure, as i said on some old post of mine, people pointed out before it that maybe they didn't act in a way to be disrespectful. I can see this logic, but what people are refusing to see is that there is other way to interpret this same situation. If you want to understand my view, please, read my past posts. but it is no way "ridiculous", just another way to view it, and i see plenty of logic and facts to support my view.
 

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I am not trying to find excuses to hate Dir En Grey or anything, ok?

i think they answered better about Marilyn Mason than about Mana. If they simply just said something like "we don't like his music" or "we are not interested in the kind of art he makes", i would be OK with their answer.
 

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Maybe it was their 100th interview of the day...with every interviewer asking "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MOI DIX MOIS?! ALL YOU JAPANESE PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER, RIGHT?!?!"

Saying "no comment" is probably better than saying "Moi dix who?"

:P
 
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