oasis19 wrote:
Whoa, why can't it just be that a bunch of people genuinely weren't pleased with this? I don't think all cases like this can be cynically attributed to group-think.
Hora "ICEBOUND" Reviews
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Whoa, why can't it just be that a bunch of people genuinely weren't pleased with this? I don't think all cases like this can be cynically attributed to group-think.
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Elec wrote:
I dunno. It's one of those immutible human nature things, kinda like in "Lord of the Flies" or Southern Baptist Masses from the 19th century (only not so gorey as the former or holy as the latter, and all together inconsequential)...
They can genuinely dislike it, but what I think Oasis is saying is that they'll be less likely to give it a fair chance.
GEEZ!!! I just wanna add something regarding
"L.E.M."
It's crappiER now that I've realized it's sounds just like "Spine" but at a higher pitch and faster tempo (intro-wise)...
"L.E.M."
It's crappiER now that I've realized it's sounds just like "Spine" but at a higher pitch and faster tempo (intro-wise)...
I can't speak for others, but I had my opinion formed well before I even read this thread...
A voice of reason. Thank you.
Elec wrote:
A voice of reason. Thank you.
I remember when Lamentful Miss was released, everyone gave a negative review and complained--many people went as far to say "what were you thinking, Mana?!"... Then DIXANADU reviews came along and Lamentful Miss was consistently reviewed (sometimes by the same exact people who previously gave it negative reviews) in a more positive light.faith wrote:
Of course, in this case we have to disregard that possibility simply because we have no way of quantifying it. Maybe if L.E.M. is rereleased on a different CD and everyone starts saying "L.E.M. is a solid track!
", then you'd have a case, but don't jump the gun.And in some sort of whimsical, science fiction discordian kind of way I can imagine minor and major chords working together to some effect, which would satisfy the arguments that "theory isn't everything", but judging from Elec's words I doubt Hora was really achieving that. Someone educated in music theory can appreciate broken rules if the rules are broken intelligently and with purpose, but if they're broken without purpose then it simply sounds bad. (Somehow I feel like a parrot...)
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Monophobia wrote:
A voice of stating something, thank you.
No one said a bunch of people can't be genuinely displeased with it.
We simply said that a bunch of people who wouldn't normally be displeased with it may be now.
REASON is seeing all sides of things and drawing logical conclusions based on the way the world has hiterto worked.
It also includes reading posts and ascertaining their meaning before calling them "unreasonable" ^^
faith wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't use the correct wording? Jesus. Also, for the love of God stop telling people to "read posts". I read posts thank you very much. Maybe if you wouldn't delete yours all the time I'd read them, too.
So yeah, how about that album?
I'm thinking my top three are DISTANT VOICES, SPINE, and ICEBOUND.
Bottom three: L.E.M, ACCURSED, ON FALLING
I'm thinking my top three are DISTANT VOICES, SPINE, and ICEBOUND.
Bottom three: L.E.M, ACCURSED, ON FALLING
i was surprised to hear L.E.M. it's rather amusing, but really not Hora-ish *_*
album isn't dissapointing, i kinda like it. (but, Hora needs vocals here and there)
and i love ACCURSED *lol* it sounds like soundtrack of some truly epic cyberpunk movie, i'm listening it over and over again
album isn't dissapointing, i kinda like it. (but, Hora needs vocals here and there)
and i love ACCURSED *lol* it sounds like soundtrack of some truly epic cyberpunk movie, i'm listening it over and over again
Of course I wasn't referring to everyone... but nice save flowers...
I love the euphoria mix, though I much prefer the original. Spine makes me laugh all silly. It sounds very 80s new wave, so I find it amusing for Hora to put a track like this. (I also like some 80s music, so it's + for me). And since the start of the album he captivated me. On falling is a really catchy song, very Hora like.
I love the euphoria mix, though I much prefer the original. Spine makes me laugh all silly. It sounds very 80s new wave, so I find it amusing for Hora to put a track like this. (I also like some 80s music, so it's + for me). And since the start of the album he captivated me. On falling is a really catchy song, very Hora like.
khyber wrote:
True, I noticed the same similarity. Another reason why Hora shouldn't put "L.E.M." on the album. Spine is in a lot of ways better than L.E.M.
oasis19 wrote:
The original was a tad too happy for me. Still love the track, but I prefer the more emotional approach in the remix. However, as I said in my earlier post, both versions need each other. Seperately they are sort-of incomplete.
This is probably overkill, but...
I'm sorry about the random tangents, guys, but this whole theory versus personal taste thing really bothers me since I deal with it on a regular basis. :/
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I just thought of this, but the weird ambience in a lot of the tracks reminds me of the various locales in the Metroid Prime games (namely Phendrana Drifts). I'm torn between liking and not liking the album as a whole because of the mental link it creates to such an awesome game.
It's more of an advantage, then, in the sense that it gives you a new medium through which you enjoy music, as you mentioned. However, when person A starts asserting superiority over Person B's likes because Person A is more well-versed in an aspect of music that Person B isn't, then that'll inevitably lead to some friction. I suppose there's a fair and an unfair way to use that knowledge. (I'm not pointing fingers or making any assumptions - something like that could happen in this type of situation, but I haven't seen it happen on Scape (yet). I don't even know where to begin defending myself when I get that from my stepmom, for example, but I really think that's attributed to taste alone. It's a puerile thing for me to do but saying "well... I just like it" is my best kind of argument for a situation like that.)Elec wrote:
I'm sorry about the random tangents, guys, but this whole theory versus personal taste thing really bothers me since I deal with it on a regular basis. :/
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I just thought of this, but the weird ambience in a lot of the tracks reminds me of the various locales in the Metroid Prime games (namely Phendrana Drifts). I'm torn between liking and not liking the album as a whole because of the mental link it creates to such an awesome game.
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khyber wrote:
The beats starting at :49 to 1:04 in SPINE are like the intro to INNER UNIVERSE in a different pitch and slower tempo. I thought it was a nice touch, but maybe that's because I really like that (and this) song~
As for the rest of the album, I agree with most of the sentiments here (it being fairly weak and whatnot). My favorites are SPINE and the EUPHORIA remix; the rest are okay. Ish.
I respect everyones right to like or dislike any type of music. This is not an argument, this is people expressing their thoughts on a cd. I think people are free to to have their own individual tastes in anything, music included. It is what makes us individuals.
I seem to be one of the only members here who really likes this album a lot though, or at least likes it as a whole at all. I think Hora is still expressing what he's choosing to express, and I suppose if you get any kind of feeling out of the songs at all then Hora has done his job as someone who loves creating music for people who are willing to listen. He's not making music just to dance to, or music for the masses. He's making music that he enjoys making, that he hopes other people can enjoy listening to.
I may be a bit naive in my simplistic enjoyment of music, but I think its best to consider music by the way you respond to it. Whether it inspires anything in you, makes you feel an emotion, sticks in your mind, triggers a memory or just makes you want to listen again so you can recreate the reactions you got the first time. And if you don't get any good response from it or don't enjoy the response you did get, then by all means don't like it. But everyone's responses can be different, and thats the beauty of music. ♥
I seem to be one of the only members here who really likes this album a lot though, or at least likes it as a whole at all. I think Hora is still expressing what he's choosing to express, and I suppose if you get any kind of feeling out of the songs at all then Hora has done his job as someone who loves creating music for people who are willing to listen. He's not making music just to dance to, or music for the masses. He's making music that he enjoys making, that he hopes other people can enjoy listening to.
I may be a bit naive in my simplistic enjoyment of music, but I think its best to consider music by the way you respond to it. Whether it inspires anything in you, makes you feel an emotion, sticks in your mind, triggers a memory or just makes you want to listen again so you can recreate the reactions you got the first time. And if you don't get any good response from it or don't enjoy the response you did get, then by all means don't like it. But everyone's responses can be different, and thats the beauty of music. ♥
L.E.M is a abbreviation for little effort made. 
I hope Hora remixes this particular track in the future and makes it either a 'Heavy' or 'Schwarz Stein-y' composition
I hope Hora remixes this particular track in the future and makes it either a 'Heavy' or 'Schwarz Stein-y' composition
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So, this is a little late, but here is my review:
I don't think that this release is that bad. It's about average, and quite listenable ... and more importantly, it's not as repetitive as the tracks on Venom were. It's actually a very good CD to listen to when you're working on something, or are trying to go to sleep ... although I wonder if Hora was aiming at ambient music.
I do have one major gripe with this CD, which is that far too many of the tracks, (to me), sound like they're "borrowing" from other songs:
On Falling - kind of similar to the intro to Walkure
Distant Voices - the chorus from Frozen Past
Tempest - Syphilis & Disorder, and Reject (from Venom)
Spine - as mentioned earlier is just L.E.M at a slower tempo, then there is a little bit from the intro to Inner Universe - Cybernated- ... however, and last but no least, the little chimey thing is straight from Taylor Dayne's Tell it to My Heart.
Incarnation - He's already done something very similar before ...
So far, I'm liking Accursed (which reminds me of Castlevania), Distant Voices, and Spine. As far as the remixes go, I liked Distorted World - Chaotic -, and Prominence - Cosmic -. The Path of Darkness remix was just a waste of space. He might as well have not even bothered to put it on the CD. Modulate God - Deforemed- was slightly disappointing since I was expecting a remix, not an instrumental version of an already released song. Euphoria - Hypnotize - is actually not too bad, except for that little part in the end. I, personally, wouldn't call it an error ... however, I will say it's an unsuccessful attempt at introducing some variation into the song.
All in all, while this isn't a bad release ... it would be nice if Hora would do something different on the next one. His stuff is starting to get somewhat stagnant, which may work for some artists, but for what Hora is doing, it doesn't quite seem to.
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And now for something completely unrelated:
For those who liked Hora's early stuff, before his elevator music phase, check out Zealous Veil's new songs on his MySpace page.
/end plug
I don't think that this release is that bad. It's about average, and quite listenable ... and more importantly, it's not as repetitive as the tracks on Venom were. It's actually a very good CD to listen to when you're working on something, or are trying to go to sleep ... although I wonder if Hora was aiming at ambient music.
I do have one major gripe with this CD, which is that far too many of the tracks, (to me), sound like they're "borrowing" from other songs:
On Falling - kind of similar to the intro to Walkure
Distant Voices - the chorus from Frozen Past
Tempest - Syphilis & Disorder, and Reject (from Venom)
Spine - as mentioned earlier is just L.E.M at a slower tempo, then there is a little bit from the intro to Inner Universe - Cybernated- ... however, and last but no least, the little chimey thing is straight from Taylor Dayne's Tell it to My Heart.
Incarnation - He's already done something very similar before ...
So far, I'm liking Accursed (which reminds me of Castlevania), Distant Voices, and Spine. As far as the remixes go, I liked Distorted World - Chaotic -, and Prominence - Cosmic -. The Path of Darkness remix was just a waste of space. He might as well have not even bothered to put it on the CD. Modulate God - Deforemed- was slightly disappointing since I was expecting a remix, not an instrumental version of an already released song. Euphoria - Hypnotize - is actually not too bad, except for that little part in the end. I, personally, wouldn't call it an error ... however, I will say it's an unsuccessful attempt at introducing some variation into the song.
All in all, while this isn't a bad release ... it would be nice if Hora would do something different on the next one. His stuff is starting to get somewhat stagnant, which may work for some artists, but for what Hora is doing, it doesn't quite seem to.
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And now for something completely unrelated:
For those who liked Hora's early stuff, before his elevator music phase, check out Zealous Veil's new songs on his MySpace page.
/end plug
